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LITURGIAE DEGRADATIO

In quibusdam regionibus difussam est schema cuiusdam « Missae » ab anonimo compositae, circa thema « homophiliae ». Incredibile dictu quo preveniat immoderata libertas et sensus moralis imminutio!

Merito Episcopi Belgici contra huiusmodi liturgicas depravationes reclamaverunt, proprios sacerdotes monentes, ne textum quemcumquae liturgicum adhibeant, a competenti Auctoritate haud approbatum.

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In quodam articulo describitur et commendatur Missa pro iuvenibus Supra thema « de la drogue » (Une Messe des jennes sur le thème de le drogue, in Paroisse et Liturgie, 1970, pp. 80-81).

Initio duo iuvenes ad ambonem ostendunt ceteris quaedam diaria cum titulis themati aptis: « Louvain: de la marijuana dans une poubelle » … « Liège: du haschich dans un banc de collégien ».

Sequitur diversorum instrumentorum musicorum ( « batterie » ) strepitus et sonus alicuius « dischi ».

Cantus introitus: Pèlerin, étranger, sur cette terre, Pèlerin, éntranger, Seignur, pour marcher vers toi.

Kyrie, Gloria, Collecta. Postea « l’un après l’autre, plusieurs jeunes moment au lutrin et évoquent, à travers poésie, articles de revues, flashes d’actualité le rèseau des questions, qui habitent la société et l’Eglise d’aujourd’hui comme autant de causes proches ou lointaines du phénomène de la drogue … A travers tout cela se des sine la figure d’un Christ défiguré, évoquée par la diffusion de la chanson de Freddy Seghers: Christ … ».

Prima lectio: Act. 2: « Il se fera, dans le derniers jours, que je répandrai de mon esprit sur trute chair. Alors leurs fils et leurs files prophétiseron, les gens auront des visions et les viellards des songes … ».

Cantus meditationis: Mon âme a soif du Dieu vivant, quand le verrai-je face à face?

Et autor commentatur: « N’est-ce pas là le désir sincère des vrais Hippies? Et nou chrétiens, où est notre mystique? ».

Estne vere haec via pastoralis apta ad vitia corrigenda et iuvenes educandos? Qua ratione vitia, aliquando verae degenerationes, createntur a « notre Eglise de quarelles »? Cur « juger » et « condamner les drouges » esset « attitude pharisaïque »?

Misericoridam habere oportet pro personis, adiuvare necesse est errantes, sed cur accusare Ecclesiam, uti « causam » « du phénomène de la drogue »?

Et cur phantasticam liturgiam eucharisticam construere, Liturgiam mortificando, dum aliae formae educationis spirituals exstent, talibus iuvenibus aptius et efficacius congruentes, quas optime novit traditionalis et materna paedagogia Ecclesiae?

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Pro Puebla quae ad duodevicesimum annum pervenit et ab aliqua familia adoptata est, sacerdos quidam Missam composuit, ut celebraretur occasione illius puellae ingres sus in familiam adoptivam.

Haec personalis circumstantia familiaris potetne argumentum constituere pro peculiari formula sactae ac divinae Liturgiae eucharisticae? Nonne sufficiunt elementa, quae, iuxta normas communes, assumi possunt, ex. gr. in orationem universalem?

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Quo ducitis, « ministra Domini », Liturgiam?

THE DEGRADATION OF THE LITURGY

In certain areas, a proposal has been passed around for a certain « Mass », composed by anonymous, concerning the theme of « homophilia ». Incredible to say how far unhampered freedom and a lessening of the moral sense have gone!

Rightfully did the Bishops of Belgium decry these liturgical deviations, cautioning their own priests not to use any liturgical text that had not been approved by the competent Authority.

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In a certain article, a Mass for young people on the theme « of drugs » (Une Messe des jeunes sur le thème de la drogue, in Paroisse et Liturgie, 1970, pp. 80-81) is described and recommended.

At the beginning, two youths at the ambo show the rest certain newspapers with headlines that fit the theme: « Louvain: Marijuana in the trash » ... « Liège: Hashish on a school bench ».

The noise of various musical instruments (« drums ») and the sound of certain (« dischi ») follows.

The introit: Pilgrim, stranger, upon this earth, Pilgrim, stranger, Lord, to walk towards you.

Kyrie, Gloria, Collect. Then « one after another, several young people approach the ambo and evoke, through poetry, journal articles, and news flashes the network of issues that reside in society and the Church today, as causes of the drug problem ... Through it all emerges a disfigured image of Christ, evoked by the broadcast of the Freddy Seghers song: Christ ... ».

The first reading: Act. 2: « It will be that in the last days I will pour out my spirit on all flesh. Your sons and daughters will prophesy. Your young men will see visions and dream dreams ».

The meditation chant: My soul thirsts for the living God. When will I see you face to face?

And the author comments: « Isn't that the genuine desire of true Hippies? As for us Christians, where is our mysticism? ».

Is this truly an appropriate pastoral way to correct vices and educate the youth? For what reason should vices, and sometimes true depravities, be encouraged by « our Church of quarrels »? Why would « judging » and « condemning drugs » be a « pharisaical attitude »?

We must bear mercy toward persons; it is necessary to help those who have gone astray, but why accuse the Church of being a « cause » « of the drug problem »?

And why construct this outrageous eucharistic liturgy, mortifying the Liturgy, while there are other forms of spiritual education that are more readily agreeable and effective for such youth, which the traditional and maternal pedagogy of the Church knows perfectly well?

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For a girl who reached her eighteenth year and was adopted by a family, a priest put together a certain Mass to celebrate the occasion of the entrance of this girl into her adoptive family.

Can this personal, family circumstance constitute a reason for a special formula for the holy and divine eucharistic Liturgy? Are there not sufficient elements, which, according to the general norms, can be made use of, e.g., in the universal prayer?

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Where are you taking the Liturgy, you « ministers of the Lord »?

Notitiae 6 (1970), 102–103drugs, hippies, homosexuality, liturgiae degradatio, liturgical abusePDF of Notitiae 6 (1970), 102–103